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North Korea, a model for Donald Trump?
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North Korea, a model for Donald Trump?

Paul French is a bestselling author of histories of East Asia. We chatted about what in America in 2025 reminds him of North Korea.
Composite of a Donald Trump image on man’s jacket photographed in North Carolina in 2023, and a propaganda poster of Kim Il-sung purchased in Pyongyang in 2007.

Paul French is the bestselling author of the historical murder mystery, Midnight in Peking, and many other books about people and historical events in China. He has visited North Korea several times, and written the book North Korea: State of Paranoia, and a Kindle Special titled Our Supreme Leader: The Making of Kim Jong-un. Paul also presented the BBC radio drama documentary, The Defectors, about people who have fled the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK), as its rulers like to call it.

We discussed what rhymes with the U.S.A. in 2025 in North Korean history, from the country’s founding at the end of the Korean War in 1953, and the subsequent rule of the Kim dynasty: Kim Il-sung who ruled until 1994; Kim Jong-il, who ruled until 2011; and Kim Jong-un, who still runs the country.


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